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Last posted Oct 11, 2021 at 07:38AM EDT. Added Mar 17, 2014 at 09:16PM EDT
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I dunno, he did make a thread about it. Also, IRC isn’t exactly private – anyone can log in and read that. Again, not a good reflection on moderators, and the fact that Tupo brought it up means that it was public enough to be a problem. You’re basically arguing that it was “private enough” but that’s clearly not the case since Tupo and other members knew about it.

He made an AMA for the attention. And who cares if the IRC isn't private? It doesn't reflect on the site in any way. And no, the fact that Tupolev knew about it doesn't mean it is a bad reflection on the site. It means that Tupolev has basic reading comprehension.

But the problem is that my birds aren’t doing anything offensive nor do they have any malicious intent. You really can’t prove that my threads serve any self serving purpose. However, there’s obvious proof to show that Arcanine’s thread held a self serving purpose.

And why does that matter? People come in all shapes and sizes. So long as it doesn't influence his moderating, it shouldn't matter.

Also, why would that matter? I’m just some normal ordinary user. Who cares if I act like an idiot? It’s not like passerby who see KYM judges it on a whole based on me, a mere mook on the real scope of things. Mods and Admins on the other hand…

You really should check out your self-esteem. That's some unhealthy thinking.

Of course it’s your discretion whether or not that’s a valid complaint but you wanna know how you could have left it? Just say, “we’ll investigate the matter” and then not look into it. But no, you had to make the staff look even worse.

Wait. You want me to lie to you? That something that I would not do, not even at your lowest point. That's just disrespectful. Seriously, self-esteem.

Because nobody will want to spend time with them. Of course, with a child, that’s not really that bad, but in KYM’s case, you’re driving people away from the website. Last time I checked, that’s the last thing that mods and admins are supposed to do.

Citations? Who have I driven away from this website and how do we know it was completely my fault and not their inability to be challenged as an individual?

Actually, yes, it’s completely fair for me to make that judgement. All I’m saying is “you guys are acting very immature in comparison to how I perceive myself”. What’s wrong or childish about that? It doesn’t imply that I’m in the right, it only implies that I’m not acting as childish as someone else.

Then your point is moot because it is an opinion not grounded in fact.

But hey, let’s actually go there. That’s why you called everyone “crybabies” right? Because assuming you’re more mature than other people is so immature, right?

Right?

Never assume my stance on social hierarchy. You'll be sorely disappointed.

Neither have I, but your arguments should be founded based on logic and what is best for everyone, not what serves yourself – especially when you’re in a position of power. It’s not a matter of you being nice – but rather being fair.

And my arguments are. How is it fair that mods must behave at a standard higher than users?

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@Starscream

>Implying any of my points have been refuted

@The Black Knight

While that is true, I don't feel these people have actually earned respect.

@Twenty-One

Oh, that's lovely. The moderator who pushed mods to higher standards than users and left the site when users disappointed him is disappointed in me. Whatever will I do?

@TA9000

True. But I still feel that the "Be Nice" rule completely restricts the community as a whole. Believe it or not, that's actually part of the reason why we couldn't ban Epyc Wyn. Because the whole community refused to be nice to him.


But fine. I'll stop Twenty-One. You and I clearly have things to discuss.

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So, it turns out every time I rub you guys the wrong way, Don gets an influx of people bothering him.

So I'll apologize….

…to him.

I'm sorry meme daddy for being a bad boy <3.


Anyway, so long chumps.

HolyCrapItsBob wrote:

So, it turns out every time I rub you guys the wrong way, Don gets an influx of people bothering him.

So I'll apologize….

…to him.

I'm sorry meme daddy for being a bad boy <3.


Anyway, so long chumps.

Since you have addressed me by my proper title, then you are forgiven.

Lycanroc wrote:

I've been reading the posts on this thread about me and I would like to say that I am sorry for what I did.

I do acknowledge that the things I did on KYM and in the IRC were extremely shitty of me and I shouldn't have done what I did. I apologize for not acting what is expected of a mod on the IRC and I promise not to do it again.

~ me

I feel that you are missing the point here. It's not just about saying "sorry, I did bad" and then go on like all is alright in the world.

¿Are you actually set on improving from your current situation as a mod and an user?

That's the real question. If you haven't realized that you need to make a change, then all this is pointless.

You have shown an ugly side, show us how much you can improve in the future.

>Twenty-one says, in bold, bigger font, quite clearly, and for a second time, that the topic is over.
>Bob tries to get the final word in.
>Taryn tries to get the final word in.
>Bob tries to get the final word in again.
>Neither with good posts.

Honestly why shouldn't I warn both your asses.

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I honestly feel like there should be some way for users to keep up-to-date on what's happening with the mods. That could be anything from a simple weekly update in the announcements section to a section devoted to administrative subjects which the users could read but not comment in. I think NON mentioned something similar in another thread but I wanted to reiterate it here since it seems relevant to mod-review matters.

On an unrelated note, I also think the users should be at least slightly involved in the mod selection process. It doesn't have to be anything big like a formal election, but we should at least have some sort of input on the people who are going to be moderating and maintaining a site which we all use. I'll leave it up to you guys to discuss but I think something as simple as a formal way to nominate other users would be a good improvement in moderator-user relations.

Last edited Apr 29, 2016 at 04:11AM EDT

Crimeariver wrote:

I honestly feel like there should be some way for users to keep up-to-date on what's happening with the mods. That could be anything from a simple weekly update in the announcements section to a section devoted to administrative subjects which the users could read but not comment in. I think NON mentioned something similar in another thread but I wanted to reiterate it here since it seems relevant to mod-review matters.

On an unrelated note, I also think the users should be at least slightly involved in the mod selection process. It doesn't have to be anything big like a formal election, but we should at least have some sort of input on the people who are going to be moderating and maintaining a site which we all use. I'll leave it up to you guys to discuss but I think something as simple as a formal way to nominate other users would be a good improvement in moderator-user relations.

You mean this more like an update whenever something hectic happens (like this week) or more a general update on stuff we've been discussing (like usual).

If the first, we can just drop info in this fairly inactive thread when it happens and folks can review.

The latter depends on the issue we're discussing. But we already move threads out of the mod forum if they're general issues.

I'm cool with letting users chime in with their opinion on potentional mod candidates, as long as the reasons are valid and not "I like him". How to approach this is up for discussion.

How to approach this is up for discussion.

Maybe reform the mod selection system entirely? More systematic "waves" of promotions based either on defined passage of time, or current mods becoming inactive. Right now it's more or less completely on a whim, and could be changed to something more codified.

A possible schedule in such a case could be as follows:

1. X number of months pass, or Y number of mods become inactive.
2. Someone points this out in the upgrades thread.
3. Once a certain amount of mods have replied and the majority agree that it's time for a new wave, a thread is made in general announcing the upcoming considerations and asking for user feedback and nominations.
4. The final decision is still made in the mod forum, albeit with significant attention paid to the thoughts of users. A lesser poison, because you know that with total democracy, sooner or later we'll end up with Calculator Fetishist as a mod.

Even ignoring user input, I think we've needed to discuss something like step 1 for quite some time. KYM's moderation system is very unique (being contribution-based more than attitude-based and so on) so a lack of quotas is probably not be a bad thing; the fact that we seem to be gaining mods much faster than we're losing them reflects this. But regardless, a little more formality would be nice.

All for discussing ideas such as this, but before this thread gets derailed any further I think it's best to take this conversation to site related and let this thread get back on topic finally.

Last edited Apr 29, 2016 at 08:56AM EDT

Right now it’s more or less completely on a whim, and could be changed to something more codified.

I promoted ditching our old batch/wave system because it would frequently result in good mod candidates having to wait months because they started getting based like a month after a batch. Various quality mods suffered from this.

And now you wish to bring it back lol.

I personally much rather have these whim batches. Instead of 6 mods once a year, you now have 3 twice a year for example, giving much more consistency.

In that regard, a way to involve users is simply a stickied mod suggestion thread, allowing users to bring up and reply to candidates alongside mods. Then whenever a name is getting really dominant, we can consider one of those whim batches.


Edit: Good idea Nats, ya damn ninja.

Link

Last edited Apr 29, 2016 at 09:03AM EDT
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RandomMan wrote:

>Twenty-one says, in bold, bigger font, quite clearly, and for a second time, that the topic is over.
>Bob tries to get the final word in.
>Taryn tries to get the final word in.
>Bob tries to get the final word in again.
>Neither with good posts.

Honestly why shouldn't I warn both your asses.

Three reasons:

  • Because you're fond of getting the last word in yourself.
  • Because Twenty-One is not he best figure of authority here.
  • Because I was apologizing

Smooth move there, dingus.

Last edited Apr 29, 2016 at 09:22AM EDT

Those are all excuses, and you're clearly still mad Don told you to chill.


Stop derailing the thread. Consider this a thread wide warning.

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RandomMan wrote:

Those are all excuses, and you're clearly still mad Don told you to chill.


Stop derailing the thread. Consider this a thread wide warning.

Don didn't tell me to chill. Don asked me to not be so abrasive, which I have complied with so far.


You're contributing to this just as much as anyone else, so I'm just as well going to ask you to stop.

HolyCrapIt'sBob: While overall, Bob is not particularly a bad moderator, I do think that he clearly has some things to work on. For example, in debate (not just site related arguments), he tends to just berate users and dismiss their criticisms on the grounds that he simply doesn't believe in them. Once he did say that he wont do anything about things he personally feels are wrong, and only follow the rules. However, he has openly said that if he doesn't care for a rule, he wont follow it.

Overall, while he mostly follows procedures, he is terrible at user communication, which can cause problems on top of the issues that he is dealing with. That's where I recommend he get's better.

Spider-Byte wrote:

HolyCrapIt'sBob: While overall, Bob is not particularly a bad moderator, I do think that he clearly has some things to work on. For example, in debate (not just site related arguments), he tends to just berate users and dismiss their criticisms on the grounds that he simply doesn't believe in them. Once he did say that he wont do anything about things he personally feels are wrong, and only follow the rules. However, he has openly said that if he doesn't care for a rule, he wont follow it.

Overall, while he mostly follows procedures, he is terrible at user communication, which can cause problems on top of the issues that he is dealing with. That's where I recommend he get's better.

Bob has been approached by mods and staff to improve his attitude in debates; and in reply to his thread he did admit that, in hindsight, it was better done in private.

While it's still considered a WiP I guess, for now we'll see how he keeps up. If he keeps up what he was warned for, we'll discuss the consequences by then. He's doing fairly well so far.

Warning → Consequences: The standard procedure.

Last edited May 16, 2016 at 06:57PM EDT

I don't think any of you are bad people at all, I don't hate a single mod here. I do respect that you take time out of your lives to moderate a meme site of all things with no profit for yourselves. I just have to say that I wish certain people (you know who you are) would take certain topics a bit more seriously. That's all.

take certain topics a bit more seriously

Can you elaborate on these topics a bit more though? If I gave an incorrect answer somewhere where you were hoping for something more serious, I can give it now (even thought too late). Examples are a lifesaver.


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If you don’t want to use the thread to discuss it for fear of some kind of backlash, there’s always PMs or IRC.

I don't recall anyone ever being backlashed for that, but sure man just PM who are to blame if you wish to avoid public discussion.

Last edited Jul 26, 2016 at 04:44PM EDT

Armesi wrote:

I wish certain people (you know who you are) would take certain topics a bit more seriously.

Arms look, I respect your right to your opinion, but pussyfooting around and not being direct is not going to reach any kind of solution. If it's to be worthwhile "mod review", then you need to specifically take up the exact problem with the individual in question. Otherwise, what does your post achieve?

If you don't want to use the thread to discuss it for fear of some kind of backlash, there's always PMs or IRC.

I'm currently having an issue with HolyCrapItsBob. I'll post my recent chat from the irc between him and past private messages.
I could easily just finally lose my temper and fling a bunch of insults at him. But, that would hurt me more than him. Anyways, please go through our chats and see if you can maybe see the issues I'm having with him.








Edit: He had to add his two cents after I posted this so I included screenshots of those too.

Last edited Aug 17, 2016 at 11:25AM EDT

I aced an interview today so I'm here to spread some positivity that I've actually been thinking about for a while. I have two people to talk about in particular:

HolyCrapItsBob is one of the most misunderstood users, by myself as well as others. Whatever "blips" might have been in the past, over the past few months he's made serious effort to become a community member again and be one of the gang. Say what you like about the guy's ostensible "ego"; almost every regular here has a massive ego tbh. You can't deny that Bob frequently displays concern for the mental wellbeing of many regulars in the IRC and is always ready to listen and give advice when people are going through shitty times. His wording might be harsh sometimes, but he legit has some of the purest intentions in being that way. His sense of humour also frequently bypasses many people around here, hahaha.

Rivers has honestly worked really hard to improve the sense of community spirit in recent times. She's active on basically every area of the site. Comments, forums, writing entries, and coming up with ways to gather feedback on the site. IDK the qualifications for being promoted to Database or if you even need another one presently, but the next time you do need another Database I would recommend Rivers from a user perspective.

That's it for my irrelevant opinions and dicksucking for the time being.

Last edited Aug 25, 2016 at 09:40AM EDT

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